Walk-in Freezer - http://www.hvacmechanic.com/ Forums


Original message

beginner

162.84.176.247

"Walk-in Freezer" , posted Thu 15 Apr 20:24user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Need a little help with this one! Went to the call site and found the compressor locked up. Give it a little ice shower and got it running again. Check the sight glass and the flow was bubble. So, I added some 404A. It is a 2hp. single phase compressor. It was running about 15 mins. I was just about to packed up then it locked up again. Again with the ice cooling, it came up. The low side was 30 and the high side was 200. I had removed some 404A just wanted the low side to drop down to 25. What ever I do, both sides stay the same. Is it the compressor has an internal leak?

 


Replies:

cneiner

66.218.253.72

"Re(1):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Fri 25 Mar 17:35user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Low voltage cause compressors to run hot. Check the supply voltage and the amp draw. Check the compressor discharge temperature. Discharge temperature should be at leaste be below 230°. CHECK THE OIL LEVEL.

Check superheat at the compressor. Compressor return gas should not exceed 65°.

If the bubbling in the site glass is downstream of the filter drier, check pressure drop across the drier.

Partially plugged driers can cause low refrigerant flow rates wich lead to excessive evaporator superheats. Compressors are refrigerant cooled and low refrigerant flow rates cause them to run hot. Additional flow restriction can be caused by an EPR. A deep freezer should run well below zero degrees so the suction line at the compressor should be ice cold.

Removing a little refrigerant while the site glass is full, will not generally lower the pressure at the compressor unless the system is critically charged.

If it has a TXV make sure the evaporator superheat is good. Make sure you check it upstream an existing EPR.

R&D Hussmann

 

mrfixit

24.158.83.25

"Re(1):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Sat 15 May 10:35user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


is it warm in the walkin at first? this is a normal pressure if it is . you need to charge it to a full sight glass first and then you nedd to adjust the superheat to 4-7 degrees. now close off the suction valve a little so your compressor dont get hot and go off on internal overload,when it reaches 30 degrees turn the suction valve full open. if you cant achieve this temp with the above being done look at the folling; if the pressures are almost equal you have a valve bad, change the valve plate to test this before you change it shut off the receiver valve to make it pump down if it wont go into a vacuum the valve plate needs replaced.if you replace ,after you take the plate off look inside the cylinder , bump start the compressor to see if both pistons are moving if not it broke a rod and you need a new compressor.

rick kirk

 

Xenos
Webmaster



67.71.22.169

"Re(1):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Thu 15 Apr 20:42user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


I don’t work in refrigeration so I don’t know what your pressures should be however I understand refrigerants and pressures so lets talk this out.

Both your pressure are dependent on load if the load is high your pressures will be high and or visa versa.

So lets say your load is X btu’s and this creates a saturation pressure of 30lbs. now you can add or remove refrigerant and as long as you don’t starve or saturate the evaporator too much, the pressure will remain at 30Lbs since this is you load or refrigerant saturation point. This is where superheat and sub cooling come into play. IF your system is locking up my first thought is what’s the super heat. Why? My first though is it’s overheating. Secondly would be is the condenser clean since if we can’t reject the heat we can’t pick it up.


Now is 200 head low or high on this kind of system I would expect it to be high.

Xenos.

The best way to escape a problem is to solve it.

 

 

beginner

162.84.176.247

"Re(2):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Thu 15 Apr 23:15user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Thanks for the reply. The compressor is a 2 hp single phase using 404A refrigerant. For it to run at -10 deg. F, the boiling point should be about 24.5 psi. That should be about right for a walk in. For some reasons, it always stay at 30 psi even when some refrigerant had removed. The head pressure was also stay at 200. The temperature from the line filter is about 65 deg. Very strange! I did clean the condenser during the last try today. The only thing I can think of is that the compressor has an internal leak. My boss told me to replace the liquid line filter tomorrow. He is suspecting is the filter. I really don't think so because I can see the refrigerant flow thru the sight glass. I will let you know the results tomorrow.

 

 

RTech

68.40.150.203

"Re(3):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Sun 29 Aug 15:19user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Sorry for late response, just turned on to this site.This may help in future situations.R404a is a blend refrigerant,adding or removing refrigerant not recommended due to fractionation.(you dont know what component of this blend leaked out).Rule of thumb,if you suspect 50%or more loss,recover,repair leak,new drier, evacuate,to a minimum of 500 microns.(p.o.e. oil is a siph for moisture).Install new refrigerant charge,(preferably R507 refrigerant,does not fractionate,) in liquid state only.I would not attempt to clear sight glass, until box temp.drops to at least +20f, and do not attempt to set txv superheat(4-8 dgrees)until box reaches design temp.NO compressor superheat was given,based on the fact compressor was cycling on its internal overload i would guess compressor s.h was high, and you were not getting adequate suction gas temp.back to the compressor for cooling.For most compressors,(recips.)a minimum of 20-30dgrees is adequate to prevent liquid slugging, and 60degrees maximum return gas temp. for cooling.No condenser style was given,assuming indoor air-cooled, with fan coil evap., running 200#h.p.(90 degrees cond.temp.)and 30# suction(0 degree evap. temp.)with no other info. my first guess, and I mean Guess, would be that system is short of refrigerant, causing high return gas temp. to compressor,causing o/l trip.It is crutial when diagnosing refrigeration problems that you know your refrigerants properties, Glides if any,type of condenser. entering and leaving temps.,liquid line press./temps.,evap. ent. and leaving temps., and suction temps.Thier are a ton of differant types of refrigeration systems,and applicaitions out ther the more info. you can supply the better.

Always be thorough!

 

 

Xenos
Webmaster



67.71.22.168

"Re(4):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Sun 29 Aug 18:53user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


An answer like that does not have a time limit.

Xenos.

The best way to escape a problem is to solve it.

 

 

kodiak

68.104.142.23

"Re(3):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Mon 31 May 22:34user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Is the sightglass before or after the filter drier?

 

 

Xenos
Webmaster



67.71.22.169

"Re(3):Walk-in Freezer" , posted Fri 16 Apr 07:59user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Is that head pressure high or low? I it’s low it could be the valves however I it’s high I would assume it’s load.

Xenos.

The best way to escape a problem is to solve it.