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acadian

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"Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperations" , posted Sun 6 Mar 11:47user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Hello I have been ask to inspect about 250 commercial heat pump, cooling, heating, fan fpm, relay etc.
I notice when I was checking the cooling of these heat pump it look like most of them was not working!
I then stop inspection and look at the heat transfer equipment this building was using and all I could find was the cooling tower, upon my inspection I notice that the cooling tower was not working only the heat element in the water basin, Now my question is what should the temp for the supply and return be in winter or summer operation right now supply = 70F and return also 70F can anyone help? (Canada) thanks

 


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Xenos
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"Re(1):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Sun 6 Mar 15:21user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


70 is fine, however in the summer during the hot weather 70 will be hard to maintain. Now if your having a heating problem giving the loop a boost may help you out. As far as the heatpumps go they should be operating in both heating and cooling at this temperature. Are these true heatpumps or are they utilizing chilled water/heating coils? I started up 350 heat pumps at Algonquin College last year. They were called heatpumps however the heating was actually a hot water coil and not done by the compressor.

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acadian

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"Re(2):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Sun 6 Mar 17:42user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Hello and thanks for getting back to me.
These heat pumps are along all perimeters under the windows.

They all have there own compressor, fans, control etc.
When you look at the heat pumps I notice two copper pipe going to pipe chase and I thought that there was condenser fans on the roof but it turn out that only a cooling tower is present. When I look at the main disconnect to the cooling tower and tried to start the fan on manual mode nothing happens and I know that by doing so it should bypass the B.A.S

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"Re(3):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Sun 6 Mar 18:07user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


I would like to add the operation of the heat pump and cooling tower are completely different issues. A heat pump system designed on a loop is designed this way to allow each heat pump to run in heating or cooling at any time transferring their energy to of from the loop there by saving on energy costs. It’s possible there is a low limit safety on your cooling tower to prevent the fans running too low to prevent freeze up.

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"Re(3):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Sun 6 Mar 18:00user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Odds are there is a 3 way valve bypassing the cooling tower and the tower it’s self will only fire up the fans when your in full flow mode. This will when the water temperature has risen above the set point on the BAS. I mention this since you stated you were in Canada and I cant imagine the water getting that hot yet. I would lower the BAS set point and see if the system switches over to cooling.

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acadian

69.198.172.176

"Re(4):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Sun 6 Mar 18:24user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


Ok those cooper pipes are connected to each other "heat pumps"?
I'm trying to make some sense on how this system work I though that the plumbing would all connected to a main supply line and return and somehow make its way to the cooling tower I’m working with out any as-built.

And about the cooling tower the reason I also look at this part of the mechanical is that I have been on the roof many times and I have yet seen the cooling tower on! The fan blade still has some snow from the last snow fall from about a week ago.

I check the conds pumps and they are running.

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acadian

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"Re(2):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Sun 6 Mar 17:29user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


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Freezone12

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"Re(3):Commercialheatpump&CoolingTowerOperatio" , posted Thu 14 Apr 20:15user profileedit/delete messagepost reply


I had a similar system to the one you are describing, the only difference being the tower water (open loop) went to a heat exchanger where the condenser water from the heat pumps (closed loop) dissipated or picked up heat depending on the season.
This design was nice in that it kept trash that invariably gets into cooling towers from clogging up the condenser coils in the heat pumps.
The system utilized a boiler during the winter months.
The condenser loop supply was maintained at 82'F. (Dallas, TX.)
Undoubtedly your system has a three way valve as previousely mentioned that is controlled thermostatically.
If you are seeing snow on the fan blades of your cooling tower, I wouldn't think you need to be too concerned about your tower water being too warm.
Take some time and study the system. It all goes back to the basics.

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