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Payne 410A 13 Seer problem

Postby Jofus » Mon May 30, 2011 12:19 am

I have a 13 Seer Payne 410A heatpump that was just installed last Oct. On spring startup found that reversing valve was bad. Got the warranty replacement and installed it. While I was getting the charge correct about 20 mins into run my suction pressure dropped out and head pressure rocketed. I am not hearing the reversing valve switching. After unit sits for 5-6 mins it goes back into cooling and does the same thing again. I am kinda stuck on this one any suggestions?
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Postby Jofus » Mon May 30, 2011 9:23 am

Yes it shut off on overload. The outdoor air temp was 90 with 92% humidity. Indoor air temp was 84. Head pressure was running at 260 and suction at 125.
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Postby Jofus » Mon May 30, 2011 4:06 pm

I found a restriction after recovery. Unit has not done was it was before so that had to been it. Although I am having a time charging unit to required as of on the service panel chart. It is 93 degrees with 44% humidity and running 290 head and 180 suction is that supposed to be that high of a suction. The way the chart is showing is im still low on charge.
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Postby nomadpeo » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:24 am

did you change the filter/drier and pull a vacuum using a micron gauge ?

will the unit pump down ?

what is the ra and sa ?
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Postby Jofus » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:12 am

YEs the unit pumps down. I used micron gauge and it sucked to 400 microns.
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Postby austen » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:21 am

Works with micron gauge better
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Postby beachgj » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:35 pm

1 You need to be 300 microns or less in the vacuum of a 410a system.
2 You need to let that stand awhile and see if it holds that. (an hour or two is usually good)
3 you need to charge it by subcooling, not gauge pressure.
4 If thats a micro channel condenser coil you need to calculate the charge, and weigh that in. (It will need a month or more to break in that scroll compressor before your pressures and subcooling are correct).
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Postby nomadpeo » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:13 am

always use manufacturer's chart for charging if available. your vacuum is fine at 400 microns if it held in a stand test. if this is a r22 system, 180 is definitely too high for suction pressure. did you get this straightened out yet ? what were your final sc and sh readings ?



















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Postby heatseeker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:26 am

I bet he didn't change the fd.
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Postby mr151 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:29 am

from the start having a hard time buying into the reversing valve being bad from the manufacture i am more inclined to believe tech error for example welding with no nitro or running out while brazing ive done it myself, causing a restriction.i love how everyone jumps to technical jargin flexing their educational muscles numbers specs formulas etc...did anyone ask of the application.I.E fellow techs u know this 410a is different animal from 22 challenging but still a pain in the ass...food for thought i had difference of opinion with a coworker pertaining to me saying the system was properly charged he telling me it was undercharged,so both of us being confident made a very large bet as to who was right long story short we put 4 setsof 410 gauges on the system ALL 4 READ DIFFERENT BY 15 + PSI .......WHOOPS WHAT WAS THIS POST ABOUT AGAIN sorry lol...oh yeah the gentileman that suggests a restriction i disagree according to the information given in my exp. ive never had a restriction that took 20 mins. to show its face
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